![]() ![]() I’m relying on testimony of people I know who’ve seen things with their own eyes. I’ve even got friends who are Ukrainian journalists. I haven’t just seen things via corporate media, I say - I’ve got friends in Ukraine, and friends who went to Ukraine as journalists. I try to push gingerly through Waters’ brick wall. “It’s exactly the obverse of saying Russian propaganda Russians interfered with our election Russians did that. “You’ve seen it on what I’ve just described to you as Western propaganda,” he retorts. This factor of 10 idea, I suggest, might not play all that well to any citizen of Ukraine right now - especially given the mounting evidence of war crimes we’ve seen, including mass graves, the use of rape as a weapon of war, targeting humanitarian convoys, and more. We, the American empire, is doing all this shit.” We are the most evil of all by a factor of at least 10 times,” he says. “Of course, we - when I say we, I’m now speaking as a taxpayer in the United States - are not. That compliant media, he continues, feeds us the idea that Russia and China are evil, and we by contrast are good. Waters says most of us are fed our narratives instead of being able to independently come to our own conclusions by the “completely controlled” media, which is “monopolized by the powers that be and by the government … oh, my God, Rolling Stone must be part of it.” (To hear an audio version of the full interview, press play above or listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.) Waters wants his public to accept him - his music, politics, and all, and to take it seriously - and so Rolling Stone dispatched me, an investigative journalist, to interview him.
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